Posts Tagged ‘The Tal’s Hill Issue’

The Real Tal’s Hill Issue

November 22, 2015
TAL'S HILL MINUTE MAID PARK HOME OF THE HOUSTON ASTROS

TAL’S HILL
MINUTE MAID PARK
HOME OF THE HOUSTON ASTROS

 2015 Cy Young winner Dallas Keuchel of the Houston Astros posted a 20-8 record this season. He was 6-8 on the road, but an amazing unbeaten 14-0 at home. The amazement extended to many writers feigning or failing to see why he did so well at home. “What is there about this ballpark that makes for Keuchel’s huge success at home?

If you really want to know, we suggest, pay attention next season to how effectively Keuchel gets batters on long fly outs to CF. Keuchel is the kind of pitcher who was almost tailor-made for Minute Maid Park. He somehow knows the way to use that larger CF portion of the field as the place where would be homers now go to die. Now that a year’s delay in the demolition of Tal’s Hill has been pushed back until after 2016, there is still time to do a really effective study next year of how many extra HR will be leaving the field of play once the proposed new dimensions are in place, bringing the deepest part of cf in closer from 336 feet to 404 feet.

 

CURRENT FIELD VIEW MINUTE MAID PARK WITH LINE DRAWN IN CENTER FIELD TO SHOW EHERE THE NEW CF FENCE WILL BE AFTER THE REMOVAL OF TAL'S HILL.

CURRENT FIELD VIEW
MINUTE MAID PARK
WITH LINE DRAWN IN CENTER FIELD TO SHOW WHERE THE NEW CF FENCE WILL BE LOCATED AFTER THE REMOVAL OF TAL’S HILL.

The new fence is expected to be curved and not straight across, as The Eagle has depicted in these two views of the same MMP field. That’s not what matters. What matters is that MMP is about to be transformed into the biggest HR band box in baseball, once the removal of Tal’s Hill has finally taken place.
WHEN TAL'S HILL IS REMOVED, THE DEEPEST POINT IN CF WILL DROP FROM 336 FEET TO 404 FEET.

WHEN TAL’S HILL IS REMOVED, THE DEEPEST POINT IN CF WILL DROP FROM 336 FEET TO 404 FEET.

Here are the current MMP fence area distances from home plate:
  • Left field – 315 feet
  • Left-center – 362 feet
  • Center field – 435 feet
  • Deepest point – 436 feet
  • Right-center – 373 feet
  • Right field – 326 feet

Bottom Line: In 16 full MLB seasons, there have been no serious injuries at MMP due to the presence of Tal’s Hill and the flagpole in center field. The primary motivation here is not so much its removal for player safety, but for the creation of more revenue stream space. Nothing wrong with that either, unless it turns MMP into the kind of HR band box that no worthwhile pitcher will want to call “home.”

More detailed study is needed in 2016 of how many additional HR the proposed changes are going to make possible. We think an honest full season look at these numbers will answer the question of why Dallas Keuchel was able to go undefeated at home and finish with a 14-0 record at MMP. Keuchel is one of those guys who uses the “K” in tandem with an uncanny ability for retiring batters on long fly balls to the present death valley distances of MMP’s “Polo Grounds” like configuration.

All we are asking for here is a full season accounting in 2016 – not the one sentence brush off we’ve already received from the Astros that (paraphrasing here) “we’ve checked out the extra homer question and it’s not going to be so bad”. If these fence distance changes will harm the effectiveness of any Astros pitcher like Dallas Keuchel, many of us fans don’t want them.

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Tal’s Hill: The Bigger View

August 18, 2012

Minute Maid Park: It may be quirky, but that’s baseball. And it’s ours.

Yesterday’s column here on the eminently approaching decision about Tal’s Hill stimulated some of the best real discussion we’ve had in some time on one of the built-in anomalies on the Houston baseball venue we now call Minute Maid Park, In fact, it spilled over into several other recognizable peculiarities of our base, most notably, the presence of the Crawford Boxes in left field.

The Issues Beyond Tal’s Hill

(1) Pitchers have learned over the total 13 seasons in residence to play MMP as it is. What happens next isn’t simply about Tal’s Hill – or the Crawford Boxes, for that matter. It’s about: Do we really want to alter the ballpark to the extent that it wipes out all the training pitchers have gone through in learning how to perform successfully in Houston?

That was the underpinning thought behind my too brief comment on the throwback similarity of MMP to the old Polo Grounds and its ridiculously short foul lines and impossibly deep center field. Mike Vance picked up on it exactly as I intended it. Beyond the hill itself, pitchers need every one of those 436 feet in dead center to make MMP the park they have all learned to play.

Move those fences in to 390-400 feet, and you create the band box that frightened all of the Astrodome courage out of Jose Lima and a few others back in that first 2000 season. It was learning how to force batters to hit the ball into the big center field pasture that separated the successful Astros pitchers from those who needed to seek work elsewhere.

Do we really want to change that anomaly now? It is my hope that someone from within the coaching and playing membership will get Mr. Crane’s ear on that one. As a former ballplayer himself, he certainly must understand what I’m talking about here.

(2) New “owner” Jim Crane is under great pressure. He has both the need and the right to run things on the Astros his way from stem to stern, as long as he does it under a 24/7 assault of suggestions from everyone, including little people like me, on what he should and shouldn’t do – and as long as his own needs to imprint the franchise with his own brand doesn’t hurt the fans of Houston in the long term.

I’ve always seen it this way when it comes to the real ownership of the Astros: Our fan-passion for the game is your business, Mr. Crane. Please handle both with care – and please maintain a respect for the past while your eye is on the future. The important heritage of Houston Baseball is much older than any single ownership of the current major league club.

Good luck with your practiced balance on these issues too, Mr. Crane. As with everything else, we are all ultimately judged by what we do.

(3) Baseball is a timeless game played on a field of randomly expressed configuration anomalies. As we all know, and very unlike football, baseball is not played by the clock on a field that is invariably the same size. Once we get past the right angles that configure the infield diamond and its four infield stations at 90 feet apart, and a pitching rubber that is 60 feet six inches from home plate, the far away outfield walls appear at random distance from home. At 1912 Fenway Park in Boston, the short wall in left was due to the limitations on additional space – and that led to the latter construction of the Green Monster as one big deterrent wall to  cheap home runs. At 2000 Enron Field in Houston, however, the short porch in left was by design.

Call it gimmicky, if you like, but that’s baseball. By requirement or design, baseball has been building these anomalies into ballparks for ages. During the era of the cookie-cutter multi-purpose stadiums that cities built in Houston, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Cincinnati, and St. Louis, among others, during the 1960s and 1970s, people briefly liked, then rebelled against the sameness. As the world’s first domed stadium, only the Astrodome maintained any unique charm over time, but even that smile had faded by the turn of the 21st century.

Enron Field, now Minute Maid Park (MMP), was a product of planned anomaly, and these included Tal’s Hill, what came to be known as the Crawford Boxes, the train, and the rambling column style of its interior architectural face. If the ball park is now reconfigured into something closer in resemblance to a band box sized cookie-cutter field, it’s not going to be very pretty – and it is going to be boomer baseball for whichever team brings the biggest bombers to games here.

A lot us don’t like a constant dose of bomber baseball, but the Astros are going into the AL WEST in 2013 as opponents of the Rangers and Angels, two of the biggest bomber squadrons in the game. We will need every inch of that 436 feet center field wall – and I’ll take the Hill and flag pole with it  too. As for this kind of ball, only the park is sort of ready, via our pitchers’ abilities to “play it like the Polo Grounds.”

We aren’t close to winning any slugfests any time soon. The Astros don’t have an air force. Right now, they don’t even own a plane.